编者按：2025年9月3日，英国广播电视台新闻频道（BBC News）全程直播中国阅兵式盛况，邀请中国人民大学重阳金融研究院院长、全球领导力学院院长王文进行直播解说。期间王文就阅兵目的、西方领导人缺席和普京、金正恩出席等敏感问题做了有力回击。现将专访视频及内容发布如下：（全文中英文约9600字，预计阅读时间20分钟）

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BBC：接下来，我们将深入探讨这一问题，今天邀请到的是王文。他曾任《环球时报》编委和社评起草人，现任中国人民大学重阳金融研究院院长、教授。王文，非常感谢您今天参与我们的节目，首先我想听听您对这次阅兵的看法，从更宏观的视角来看，您如何看待这一事，它意味着什么？

王文：我认为今天所有中国人都非常激动，因为我们为国家的强大、崛起和发展感到无比自豪。中国通过这次阅兵至少希望实现三个重要目标。

第一，塑造正确的二战史观，告诉全世界。中国是在第二次世界大战付出最大贡献和牺牲的国家。

第二，希望展现中国强大的军事国防能力，警告那些强国不要再欺侮中国。其实，很少有人知道，几乎所有西方国家都曾在过去100多年侵略过中国，中国不希望这种历史再重演。

第三个目标是，中国希望塑造和平。中国不想成为新的霸权，也不想再现“国强必霸”的道路。事实上，中国是过去四十年唯一一个没有参与战争、没有发动战争、也没有爆发战争的主要经济体。

实践已证明，中国越强大，世界越和平。

BBC：没错，这就是您提到的第二个要点。中国军事力量的壮大，而您指出，这实际上是以实力保障和平的体现。

王文：是的。我认为当今发展是和平的。

BBC：但您过去曾提到，全球南方国家之间日益紧密的联系正在重构全球秩序，而今天阅兵式上西方领导人的显著缺席，是否明确传递了一个信号——全球秩序正经历深刻变革。

王文：中国非常感谢那么多新兴经济体、全球南方国家来北京出席阅兵式。但西方国家领导人没来参加中国阅兵，是挺遗憾的。他们中的许多国家（比如英国、美国），本应该与中国共同庆祝二战胜利80周年，与中国拥有共同的反法西斯主义的历史记忆，但他们并不愿接受中国邀请，这是非常遗憾的事情。

不过，另外一方面，未能来出席，这是西方损失，西方失去了一次见证历史的机会，同样也失去了一次近距离更好了解和观察中国军力崛起和战略决心的机会。从这个角度看，他们来不来参加阅兵仪式，中国人并不是特别在乎。毕竟世界上绝大多数国家都派高级代表来参加呈现出了中国与世界合作的空前盛世。

我认为中国并不想成为新的霸权来领导世界，而是希望展示我们与世界合作的意愿。

BBC：所以说，您是说这些其他国家的领导人，比如美国、英国和其他欧洲国家领导人，虽然受邀参加了此次活动，但最终都婉拒了。

王文：是的，我认为如此。参加此次活动的国家基本都来自全球南方，这些国家普遍认为，英美已彻底丧失对全球的主导权。因此才会有如此多国家的领导人齐聚中国，共同维护二战历史记忆，不仅包括欧洲、非洲、拉美国家，还有俄罗斯、朝鲜、东盟成员国等。据我了解，世界上大多数国家都派出了高层代表出席。

BBC：如果我们谈论那些在场的世界领导人，俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京和朝鲜领导人金正恩几乎是最引人注目的两位。如果一次只谈论一个，那就先给我们讲讲中国与俄罗斯的关系吧。

王文：我认为中国和俄罗斯在二战期间作出了最大的贡献与牺牲。普京总统出席阅兵是为了纪念与中国之间共同的二战记忆，因此，我认为这是非常正常的外交互动，也是两国共同支持塑造正确的二战史观的表现。我相信这没有什么好争议的。

我知道在很多西方媒体中，他们仍然认为这是一个非常有争议的问题，因为中国提供了国际平台，对俄罗斯的多边平台，但我认为以及建议，我们必须用现实的目光看待俄罗斯。因为俄罗斯不可能被乌克兰打败。而且特朗普总统都要重新调整对俄罗斯的政策，上个月还与普京总统在阿拉斯加进行互动。为什么有一些欧洲国家领导人不能现实主义地看待俄罗斯呢？

很明显，对于中国来讲，俄罗斯是战略伙伴、是拥有共同历史记忆的朋友、是利益互补的攸关方。所以我认为中俄互动是两个主权大国之间应有的权利，尤其在今日，我认为没有任何力量能够阻碍中俄关系。

BBC：西方的批评是俄罗斯已经入侵了一个主权国家，而中国几乎未加谴责且继续与俄罗斯贸易，这在客观上等于间接支持了这场战争。如果中国真想树立自己“和平与稳定”的形象，那为何不利用自身影响力去约束弗拉基米尔·普京，阻止他试图征服乌克兰这个主权国家呢？

王文：我认为中国在乌克兰危机上的立场非常明确和清晰。我们认为这是一个非常复杂的问题，中国并非危机的一部分，中国只是希望保持和平解决。一方面，中国维持了与乌克兰和俄罗斯之间的正常外交关系。另一方面，无人在意的是在过去的三年里，中国仍与乌克兰保持着正常的双边贸易关系。所以我认为中国是中立的。我们只是想保持和促进和平解决方案。

我们没有向双方出口任何军事武器，我们已经表示并鼓励俄罗斯和乌克兰双方坐在一起，寻求和平解决方案。我认为这是中国能够做的事情，而且这是一种非常中立的方式。

BBC:  王文，最后再请您谈谈对朝鲜的看法，金正恩也出席了这次阅兵。这对习近平主席与朝鲜领导人之间的关系意味着什么？

王文：这是一个非常有趣且十分重要的问题，中国和朝鲜在反对日本侵略的历史上拥有漫长的共同记忆。我不知道你是否清楚，这种记忆不只有80年，甚至有500年的历史。可以追溯到500年前的明朝，所以我认为朝鲜领导人金正恩出席中国阅兵，说明中国和朝鲜两国都希望能够共同激发这种共同的历史记忆，进而加强两国友谊。

我也认为中国非常欢迎金正恩出席阅兵式。另一方面，我想我们都知道这是金正恩第一次参加多边的国际活动。这恰恰证明了朝鲜希望能够以更加开放的方式与世界进行接触，我觉得无论是西方世界还是其他国家都应该欢迎朝鲜的开放，因为他们希望听到他们的领导人愿意参与到这样一个公开的国际多边活动和平台中，这是好事。

BBC：非常感谢你今天的想法，王文，感谢你抽空做客。

专访内容英文版

BBC：And so for more on this, I'm joined by Wang Wen. He's a former chief opinion, editor for the Chinese Communist Party’s English Language Daily at the Global Times, and he’s also now the Dean and professor of the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin Universityof China.

Wang wen, thank you very much for joining us today. Firstly I want to get your thoughts on this parade. In general, a sort of bigger picture of you. What does this mean to you?

Wang wen：I think today all Chinese people are very exciting, cause they are very proud of all of our country’s powerful, rising process. And also through this parade, China hopes to achieve at least three very important goals. 

First, to shape a correct view of World War II history, telling the world that China was a country that made the greatest contribution and sacrifice in the Second World War. 

And secondly, to demonstrate China's strong military and defense capability, warning other powerful country not to bully China again. Cause a few people know that almost all western countries in the history have invaded China over the past century or so, China does not want this history to repeat itself. 

Thirdly, finally, I think China hopes to shape new international peace. China does not want to become the new hegemony power. In fact, China is the only major economy that has not participated in or caused a war in the past four decades. 

So I think practice have proved that the stronger China, the more peaceful the world.

BBC：Yeah, and that’s the second point that you were talking about the sort of growing of military capabilities that China has. And you’re saying that this is really a demonstration of peace through strength. 

Wang wen：Yes. I think now it’s a peaceful development. 

BBC：But you’ve described in the past that the growing links between countries in the Global South are reconstructing the global order, there’s an absence, a very visible absence of western leaders at the parade today is this. And explicitly, is the sort of signal that the global order is being shaken up?

Wang wen：I think China is verygrateful that so many leaders of emerging economy and countries from Global South coming to China to attend the military parade. However, as you mentioned, it's a very pity that western leaders did not attend the Chinese parade. Many of these countries, such as UK, U.S.,  should have celebrated 80th anniversary of victory in the World War II with China, and share the China’s historical memory of fighting fascism. But they declined to accept China’s invitation. This is very regrettable.

But however, on the other hand, I think that is the loss of the West. The West lost an opportunity to witness history and also lost an opportunity to better understand and observe China’s rising military power and strategic resolve up closely. 

So from this perspective, I think that the Chinese don’t care whether they attend the parade or not. After all, the vast majority of the country in the world send high-level representatives, demonstrating an unprecedented era of cooperation between China and the world. 

So I think that China doesn't want to be the new hegemony to lead the world. China just want to show our strategic design to cooperate with the world. 

BBC：So just to clarify, you’re saying that these other world leaders, the U.S. the UK and other European leaders were invited to this event, but they declined. 

Wang wen：Yeah, I think so. I think all the countries are from Global South. They all think that UK and U.S. they lost completely the dominance of the world. So that’s why so many leaders they come to China, just to support China historical memory of the World War II, not only including the countries from Europe, from Africa, from Latin America, but also from the Russia, from North Korea, from ASEAN. I think most of the country in the world, they send the high-level representatives to China. 

BBC：Well if we talk about those world leaders that are there. then Vladimir Putin and north Korea's leader Kim Jong un almost the most high profile one. If you take them one at a time, just talk to us about the relationship that China has with Russia.

Wang wen：I think China and Russia made the greatest contributions and sacrifices during World War II. President Putin attendance at the parade was to share our common memory of the second World War. So I think this is a perfectly normal democratic interaction and manifestation of our shared support  for shaping a correct historical perspectives on second World War. So I believe this is not controversial.

I know in a lot of western media they still think this is a very controversial issues. because China provides the international platform,multilateral platform for Russia. But I think I suggest that we must be more realistic about Russia, because Russia cannot be defeated by Ukraine. Even president Trump is adjusting his policy  toward Russia, and interacting with president Putin in Alaska last month. So Why can't some European leaders view Russia realistically？

Really distinctly, I think for China, Russia is a very strategic partner a friend with a shared historical memory a friend with a shared historical memory, and a stakeholder with complementary interest. So I think that China Russia interaction is a very neutral right between two softening power, and especially today, I think no force can separate China Russia relationship.

BBC：Well the criticism from the west will be that Russia has invaded a sovereign country, and  China  almost not condemning them, and by continuing to trade with Russia is inadvertently supporting that effort. If China is so determined to project this image of peace and stability, then could it not use its influence to reign in Vladimir Putin and his attempts to conquer Ukraine which is a sovereign country?

Wang wen：I think China's  positions on  Ukraine Crisis are very very  clear and obvious. And we think that's a very complicated issue, and China is not the part of the crisis, China just want to keep the peaceful solutions.

So on the one hand, China keep the normal diplomatic between Ukraine and Russia, but on the other hand, no one know that in the past three years, China still keep the normal trade bilateral relationship with Ukraine. So I think China is a neutral position, we just want to keep and promote the peaceful solutions. 

we didn't export any military weapons to both sides. We just said and encourage the both of the Russia and Ukraine stay together, and find a peaceful solution. I think this is a what China can do, and it's a very neutral way.

BBC: And Wang wen, just to get your your final thoughts on North Korea and leader Kim Jong un is also present at this parade. What does this mean about the relationship that President Xi has with the north Korean leader?

It's very interesting and a very important question, China and North Korea share a long history of resisting Japanese aggression. I don't know whether you know, this memory can go back not only 80 years, but even 500 years, dating back to the Ming dynasty 500 years ago. So I think as a North Korea leader Mr Kim Jong un's attendance at Chinese military parade demonstrates that both China and North Korea hope to jointly rekindle these shared historical memory, and strengthen our friendship between China and North Korea.

Also I think China warmly welcomes a king John and attendance at the parade. Furthermore, I think as we all know, this is Kim Jong-un's first participation in such a multilateral international event, it's his first time. But this demonstrates North Korea's desire to engage with the world in a more open manner.

So I think that west or  the other countries in the world should welcome North Korea's openness, cause they want to hear that their leader want to engage with a vote  in such an open international multilateral  event and platform. These are good things.

BBC：Wang Wen thanks very much for your thoughts today, I appreciate your time with us.