编者按：近日，中国人民大学重阳金融研究院院长、全球领导力学院院长王文接受《印度斯坦时报》邀约专访，就金砖峰会、特朗普关税战、边境冲突、西藏事务等话题做相关解答，采访视频在YouTube播出后，引发广泛关注，现将专访中英文内容及视频发布如下：（全文中英文约19000字，预计阅读时间30分钟）

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王文：中国国家主席习近平去年访问了巴西，因此，今年国务院总理李强出席了金砖国家峰会。中国从不畏惧美国的关税威胁，反倒是美国在惧怕中国，并寻求与中国进行谈判。许多西方媒体妖魔化新疆，将其描绘得乌烟瘴气、可怕至极，我认为这些都是谣言。西藏是我们自己的事务，中国的主权不容侵犯，西藏理所应当是中国的一部分。不要让边境冲突或西藏事务，影响中印这两个智慧而伟大的国家。

印度斯坦时报：王教授，您说不要过度解读，但在此我想引用一份报告。这份报告谈到，在中美关税战后，中国可能会有越来越多的“抗议”活动，尤其是在美国总统特朗普向中国这个全球第二大经济体发动贸易战后。

王文：我很好奇为什么您经常引用那些假新闻。没有，我向您保证，在中国没有任何所谓的“罢工”或任何“反政府运动“正在发生。正如我所说，我们的经济增长非常稳定，经济复苏动力越来越强而且越来越多的中国人对国家未来充满坚定信心，我认为这就是我们的现实。

作为一名中国学者，我只想向印度朋友分享真实的现象和现实，不要相信，（你所说的）那些都是假新闻。我认为了解并观察中国实际的唯一方式就是亲自来中国，我们欢迎所有印度朋友来中国。不妨来亲眼看看中国，您会发现这个国家拥有非常美好的未来，您会爱上这个国家。

印度斯坦时报：我很乐意到访中国，那里看起来是个迷人的地方。不过话说回来，作为记者，我能否自由前往新疆，并进行独立报道？我会被允许这样做吗？

王文：当然，新疆非常美丽，我去过新疆20多次。就在今年夏天，我还计划带孩子再去新疆。同样的，新疆欢迎每一位外国朋友。我承认大约五、六年前，很多西方媒体将新疆妖魔化，将其描绘成黑暗、肮脏、可怕的地方。我认为那都是谣言和假新闻。

所以现在，如果您来新疆，如果您来中国，我保证他们都会欢迎您，欢迎每个来自外国的朋友，这就是新的现实。您刚才还提到了西藏，不过现在去西藏可能身体需要适应一下，不是因为政治问题，主要是海拔原因，西藏有很多高山。

印度斯坦时报：教授，请相信我，我完全适应高海拔。我很想去西藏看看，并在那里进行独立报道。

王文：那么欢迎您！如果您在北京或者中国的任何一个地方，我都可以全程安排，或许还能陪您再访西藏。我大概去过五次西藏，我觉得那是一个非常神奇且神秘的地方。我十分热爱西藏，也很乐意陪同印度朋友再次探访西藏。

印度斯坦时报：王教授，我问这个问题，我想知道我能否获准在中国境内进行独立报道。因为就在2020年，来自多家媒体的18名记者，包括《纽约时报》、《华盛顿邮报》和《华尔街日报》的记者被驱逐出境，还有数名记者遭遇签证续签拒签。

王文：我认为这很正常，因为即便是印度政府，也会针对那些制造假新闻的记者。很多西方媒体甚至妖魔化印度，导致印度政府反感。正如我提到的，在过去10年或20年间，有很多西方媒体记者，他们妖魔化新疆，发布了关于新疆和中国的大量负面新闻。

另一方面，即自2018年以来，特朗普第一任期对中国发动了贸易战、科技战甚至签证战。美国政府取消了大量中国记者和学者的签证。因此，作为反制措施，中国出台了相应政策针对西方记者，特别是美国媒体记者。中国政府有权取消他们的签证。我认为这是应对不良分子的正常政策。我认为这是一个主权国家的基本权力和正当权利，这是对等的反制措施。

我想告诉印度朋友们，我们应相互尊重。试想，若西方媒体经常批评印度，妖魔化印度形象，我相信印度政府也会采取类似政策。

印度斯坦时报：但2023年，印度公共广播公司驻华记者Anshuman Mishra和《印度教徒报》驻华记者Ananth Krishnan被告知，他们的签证将不予续签。而《印度报业托拉斯》的驻华通讯员K.J.M Varam是最后一个留在中国的印度记者，他被要求在该月月底之前撤离北京。

王文：对此，我深感遗憾，也感到非常惋惜。我们两国的关系现状，不仅是媒体交流受阻，中印直航航班也已全部中断。中国企业在印投资持续萎缩，印度企业几乎无人来华投资。我认为，对于中印双边关系现状，我感到非常失望。两国人员往来也降至冰点。我曾两次获得与贵国驻华大使共进午餐的机会。我申请过印度签证，2020年前曾三次造访印度。

我十分热爱印度，一直主张中印应该互相学习。但在我两次向印度驻华使馆（北京）递交签证申请之后，我觉得甚至连我也没有再次造访印度的机会了，这对我来说非常遗憾。我也对中印双边关系表示深深的遗憾。据我所知，目前在印度也没有任何中国记者。我认为这对于两个总人口近30亿的大国而言极不正常。所以，我认为中印双方都需要反思。

印度斯坦时报：您提到的这些内容，这些在中印双边交流中缺失的，到底是哪方导致的？

王文：这是一个非常复杂的问题。我认为在2018年之前，我们两国的关系在逐步改善。但2018年后，确切来说是2019年，中印边境冲突和双边关系变得愈加紧张。这令人感到十分遗憾。

印度斯坦时报：2019年边境冲突爆发，这场冲突是由中国挑起的，您是否认为中国应该为此负责？

王文：这些都是非常专业的问题，我认为如果要讨论这些问题，我们可以辩论一天一夜甚至更久。这些问题应该由专业人士来进行讨论，我们并非局内人，我认为这些问题可以由外交官或安全专家进行讨论。

我只想说：中国和印度都是非常重要的国家，应该保持冷静，不要让这些微小的问题影响我们双边关系的恢复。我们两国都是伟大的国家，我们拥有广阔的未来，需要以宏大的视野来开创更广阔的未来。不要让这些小问题，比如边境问题，影响我们重大的战略关系。这是我们的战略。希望我们友好的印度朋友也能这样做。

印度斯坦时报：继续下一个话题，我想回到金砖国家，以及因缺席而引人注目的事件，也就是中国国家领导人缺席金砖峰会。我们来谈谈，这是否受到特朗普长期以来的反金砖国家立场影响？他持续发表相关言论已有时日，并提及关税问题。

王文：不，事实上，正如我所说，中国从未畏惧过美国的关税战威胁。实际上，回顾2018年，面对美国的关税壁垒，中国采取了强有力的反制措施。我们可以看到过去七年间，中国在关税战中取得了全面胜利。

尽管七年前，您可以看到美国试图打压华为公司，但过去七年里，华为不仅没有倒下，反而创造了更大的价值，不是吗？所以，即便美国动用举国之力打压一家中国企业，美国也失败了。更不用说试图打压中国这一个国家了。因此，我认为在这场关税战中，中国充满信心。我们相信，就关税战而言，美国根本无法遏制中国。

未来事实也将证明，这种技术封锁是极其错误的决策，而这场关税战终将反噬美国自身。展望未来，我们将看到中国赢得关税战。未来10年内，中国GDP将超越美国，成为世界第一大经济体。或许就在10年后。这就是我们的自信。

印度斯坦时报：既然您都这么说了，那我祝愿贵国发展顺利。但实际上，中国的经济增长速率其实已在放缓。今年原本预计增长5.4%，但经济放缓后目前预计增长率可能会降至4.5%到4.7%。

王文：我认为这很正常。因为中国的经济基数已经非常庞大。即便是印度，未来可能也会面临经济增长下滑的情况。你们每年保持6%，7%或8%的经济增速，但经济总量很小。您们的经济总量只有中国的五分之一。这是非常简单的数学计算。所以，你们的经济增速看起来很高，能到达8%甚至9%，我认为这很正常。只要经济总量变大，经济增长速率自然就会放缓。

但即便中国保持5%的增速，每年新增的GDP总量都相当于整个土耳其的经济体量。甚至每三年，中国新增的GDP就相当于英国全年GDP总量。这个计算很简单。这就是为什么我相信，无论是在过去还是未来十年内，中国仍能保持5%甚至4.5%或4%的经济增长率。中国必将超越美国，在2035年成为世界第一大经济体。

印度斯坦时报：尽管您如此说，但我这里有份世界银行报告，指出GDP增长的数字与就业率增长并不挂钩。

王文：作为智库学者，我们时刻心系祖国发展。我国政府也坦言，GDP增速确实在放缓，压力不小。但即便如此，纵观中国社会稳定与社会发展，他们依然保持正常、稳定、可持续的状态。

看看中国的新能源汽车，看看中国的人工智能发展。不知您是否用深度求索（DeepSeek）？我认为这些都展现了一个非常明显的发展现象。看看中国的高科技发展，我们在人工智能创新方面成果丰硕。再看看中国的高铁网络以及高速公路系统。看看中国的航空航天成就，还有对2030年的展望，中国人将再次登月。

我认为每个现象都能证明，不要相信那些西方媒体的假新闻，也不要只关注数字，并孤立片面看待中国发展的现象。这样您才能看到真实的中国发展。

印度斯坦时报：我们都看到印度没有签署上合组织联合声明，因为中国拒绝在文件中写入巴基斯坦争议事件，并没有提及4·22克什米尔枪击事件。于是，印度拒绝签署。该声明最终未能达成一致并发布。

王文：关于恐怖主义问题该如何表态，这些都是非常复杂的问题。但我必须说明：中巴关系就如手足般亲密，印度对此心知肚明。但即便如此，中国依然希望与印度保持良好关系。这也是我接受您的采访的原因。我只是想让印度朋友们冷静下来，理性分析中、印、巴之间这些复杂问题。

我认为我们有个显而易见的共同目标，那就是各自推动我们自己国家的复兴。这是我们的共同利益关切所在。如果印度能变得更强大，中国会乐见其成。因为中印都是古老的东方文明。我们尊重印度。

同样，在古代，我们曾向印度学习，未来也将如此。如果印度和中国能够同时崛起，我认为这是我们共同的幸事。在100多年前甚至80年前，印度还是殖民地，一百年前中国正遭受西方列强的侵略。如今，我们都已成为独立主权国家。现在，我们在同步崛起。我认为这都是非常好的事情。别让那些西方国家看我们笑话。

印度斯坦时报：我们需要一定时间，以及中方需要做出大量努力并释放善意，或许才能让这种局面得以消除。您不赞成吗？

王文：正如我先前所说的关于边境冲突的内容，这是非常专业性的问题。我们双方都不具备足够的知识和信息来对此做出判断。你无非是想了解中国学者对金砖国家和中国政策的看法。但您总是把焦点放在边境冲突上。我认为这个方向错了。这会影响您的工作。

这对两国关系来说，也是同样的道理。还有更广阔的合作空间。不要让边境冲突影响我们更广泛的合作。这就是我说的，边境冲突是专业性问题，应交由专业人士研判。我们只管做好合作事项，专注我们的合作。现在我接受您采访，这就是我们的合作。如果您总是纠缠那些边境冲突问题，只会破坏我们的合作。

印度斯坦时报：您如何看待中方的立场以及达赖喇嘛的言论？

王文：中国的政策非常明确：西藏是中国内政。不要干涉中国的主权。西藏自古以来就是中国的一部分。所以，达赖喇嘛是个坏人。达赖喇嘛企图分裂中国。我认为这很明显。

印度斯坦时报：坏人？一个主张非暴力的人？

王文：是的。他是一个坏人。他是分裂分子。在中国，根据中国政府，根据中国法律，他触犯了中国的法律，也破坏了中国的统一。我认为这些都显而易见。印度利用达赖喇嘛，打达赖喇嘛牌，我认为这非常危险。要牢记，正如我所说的，中国尊重印度。让我们探讨更广泛的议题。不要让边境冲突或西藏事务，影响我们这两个智慧而伟大的国家。

印度斯坦时报：印度和中国之间存在巨大贸易逆差。这个逆差对中国有利。这意味着印中之间的贸易不平衡，是偏向中国的。

王文：我非常认同您的一个观点，那就是贸易逆差。为什么您们会有逆差？因为中国的制造业比印度强得多。所以，你们的任务是发展印度，让印度快速地变得比以前更强大。我去过印度三次。我知道印度高铁很少，高速公路也很少，地铁更是寥寥无几。印度基础设施很差。但即便如此，我仍然对印度的未来充满信心。所以，让我们行动起来。

印度需要中国的帮助，中国也需要印度的合作。现在，很明显需要我们展现对彼此的友好。不要让这些小问题影响我们的合作与友谊。这非常重要。让我们携手解决更重要的问题。彼此微笑，展现我们的友谊。这样，敏感问题就会逐步解决。

我始终相信、我仍然坚信：中印两国应该建立更牢固的友谊和关系。这对双方都更有利，也能让双方携手共创更美好的未来。这是我的观点。这也是我接受采访的原因，就是想向我的印度朋友们表达善意。

印度斯坦时报：感谢您接受采访，教授。

王文：谢谢你邀请我。

对话内容英文版

Wang wen：President Xi visited Brazil last year. So this year, he let Chinese Premier Li Qiang attended the BRICS summit. China has never been afraid of the U.S. tariff threat. On the contrary, it is the U.S. that is afraid of Chinaand begs to negotiate with China. A lot of western media, they demonize Xinjiang and describe a very black, very dirty, very terrible Xinjiang. I think that is all rumor. Tibet is our own issue. Don't intervene in China's sovereignty. Tibet is naturally one part of China. Don't let the border conflict or the Dalai Lama issues influence our two smart and great countries.

Hindustan Times：Professor Wang, you are saying don't over speculate, but here's a report that I'd like to quote, and the report is referring to the protests which might be on the rise in China in the after math of tariffs. especially after the U.S. president Donald Trump set up a trade war with world's second largest economy.

Wang wen：I'm wondering why you often quote those fake news. No, I guarantee, trust me. In China, no any so called "strike" or any anti-government movement happened now in China. Now, as I said, the economic growth is very stableand our economic recovery has more and more power. And also, more and more Chinese people, they have a very strong confidence in our country's future. I think these are all the reality. So as a Chinese scholar, I just want to share the real phenomena and real reality to my Indian friends. Don't trust, those are fake news. I think the only way to understand and observe China's reality is that come to China. Welcome every Indian friend to China. Just have a look and observe in China, you can see that this country has a very good, very nice future, and you will like the country indeed.

Hindustan Times：I'd be happy. I'd be happy to visit China,I mean it seems like a lovely place. But having said that, as a journalist, would I be free to travel to Xinjiang for that matter and report from there independently?  Would I be allowed to do that?

Wang wen：Of course Xinjiang is very beautiful. I have been in Xinjiang more than 20 times. Even this summer, I plan to bring my children to Xinjiang again. And also, Xinjiang welcome every foreign friends. But I admit that in the maybe five or six years ago, a lot of western media demonize Xinjiang and describe a very black, very dirty, very terrible Xinjiang. I think that is all rumor, all fake news. So I think nowadays, if you come to Xinjiang, if you come to China, I guarantee they will welcome you, welcome every foreign country. So this is new reality. And also you mentioned about Tibet, but nowadays maybe Tibet is a little bit uncomfortable, not because of political issues, but also the altitude. Cause I think Tibet has high mountains.

Hindustan Times：Believe in me professor, I'm absolutely fine with altitude. I'd love to visit Tibet and report from there independently.

Wang wen：So welcome you! If you are in Beijing or in countries in China, I can all coordinate. Maybe I can accompany with you to Tibet again. I have been in Tibet for more than...maybe about 5 times. So I think this is a very amazing, mysterious place. So I love Tibet very much. Also I'd like to accompany with Indian friendto visit Tibet again.

Hindustan Times：So professor Wang, the reason I asked you that question if I'd be allowed to report from inside China independently, is because just in 2020,18 journalists from various publications, including New York Times, Washington Postand Wall Street Journal were expelled and several others were denied visa renewals.

Wang wen：I think it's very normal, because even the Indian government will do such a policy against those fake news journalists, a lot of western media, they even demonize India, which let the India government dislike those media, those journalists. As I mentioned that in the past 10 or past 20 years, there are a lot of western media journalists. They demonized Xinjiang. They published so many negative news about Xinjiang, about China. And on the other hand,  that is,  since 2018, president Trump 1.0 launched a trade war, high tech war, even a visa war to China, and U.S. government cancelleda lot of Chinese journalists and scholars' visas. So as a countermeasure, China did such a policy against western journalists, especially the U.S. media journalists. The Chinese government cancelled their visas. I think this a very normal...it's a normal policy against those bad persons. So I think this is a basic powerand basic right as a sovereignty states. This is a mutual countermeasure.

So I think, please, my Indian friends,we have a mutual respect. Imagined if a lot of western medias, they often criticize India, often demonize India...I think, I trust, I believe, that Indian government will have such a policy.

Hindustan Times：In 2023, Anshuman Mishra of Prasar Bharatiand Ananth Krishnan of the Hindu were informed that their visas will not be renewed. And K.J.M Varam, was the last Indian journalist in China, of Press Trust of India,was asked to leave Beijing by the end of the month.

Wang wen：Yes, I feel very regret and feel very pity about our two country relationship. Not only the journalist relationship, but also there are no direct flights between China and India. The Chinese companies are investing less and less in India, and there are almost no India company investing in China. I think this is...I feel very disappointed about our bilateral relationship, and there is also a very little personnel exchange between China and IndiaI have twice lunch opportunities face by face with your ambassador in Beijing. And I applied for the India visa, and before the 2020 I have been in India 3 times. I love India very much.And I said that China and India should learn each other. But after I apply twice to India ambassador in India embassy in Beijing, I felt even for me I have no opportunity to visit India again. I think it's a very pity for meand also very regret to our bilateral relationship. In terms of my understanding, that in India, there are no any Chinese journalists. I think this is very abnormal for two great countries with a total population of nearly three billion. So I think... I hope that both China and India need to reflect.

Hindustan Times：Those things which you were talking about which are missing in the bilateral exchange between India and China, whose fault is that?

Wang wen：This is very complicated. I think before the 2018, our two country, the relationship recovered gradually. But after 2018 and 2019, the border conflict, our bilateral relationship, become worse and worse. This is very pity. By 2019, the border conflict started which was of course started by China. Would you say in that case China is at fault? These are very professional issues. I think if we should talk about those issues, we can debate one day, one night or longer. I think those issues belong to those professional person to debate.We are not inside person. I think those are diplomats or security person who can discuss about that. I just want to say China and India, those VVIP person could be calm down. Don't let such a very small issueto influence our bilateral relation recovery. We are... both of us are all very great countries. We have a broad future. We need to have a big visionto do the broader future, and don't let those small issues, such a border issue, to influence our big strategic relationship. So this is our strategy. I hope our friendly Indian friends can do that way.

Hindustan Times：Moving on, I wanna circle back to BRICS, and the conspicuous by absence, President Xi's absence at the summit and talk for a little bit about was it the impact and effect of Donald Trump's, this animosity towards BRICS that he now has been talking about for a while and has talked about tariffs.

Wang wen：No. Actually, I think, as I said, that China has never been afraid of the U.S. tariff threat. Actually, since 2018,China has a huge countermeasure to the U.S. tariff war. And we can see in the past seven years, China totally won the tariff war. Even though you can see that seven years ago, U.S. side deterred the Huawei company. But in the past seven years,Huawei company didn't die. On the contrary, Huawei's value developed much bigger than before, right？So even the U.S. use the whole country's power deter a Chinese company,U.S. failed. You know. How about China, a country. So I think that in this tariff war, China has full confidence. And we think that in terms of the tariff war, U.S. cannot contain China at all. And also in the future, the future reality will prove that the tariff war is a tremendously terrible, bad thing, and the tariff war will hurt U.S. itself. And also, in the future, we can see that China will won the tariff war. And also in the coming ten years, China's GDP will surpass United Statesand become the No.1 economy in the future, maybe in 10 years. So this is our confidence.

Hindustan Times：You're saying that and I wish you all the best and your country, but you're saying that while the growth rate has come down, it was supposed to be 5.4% for this year. But after the slowdown, it is being projected that the growth will perhaps come down 4.5% to 4.7%.

Wang wen：I think it's very normal, because in China, the existing value is very very big. Even for India, maybe in the future, Indian’s economic growth will fall down again. Now you have 6%, 7% or 8% economic growth every year, but your value is very small. Your index value is only 1/5 of China's GDP value. So that's a very easy math calculation. So your economic growth is very big, 8% even 9%,I think this is very normal. As long as your value become bigger, and your economic growth rate will be slowdown. But even that, China has a 5% economic growth, but every year the adding value of the GDP is equal to Turkey's total value. Even every three years, China's adding GDP value is equal to UK’s total GDP value annually. I think this is a very easy calculation. So that's why my confidence is that even in the past, in the coming ten years, China can keep the 5% or even 4.5% or even 4% in the coming 10 years. It is sure that China would surpass United Statesas No.1 economy in 2035.

Hindustan Times：Sure, while you say that, there is a World Bank report, which suggests that the growth in GDP and the numbers there are not connected to job growth.

Wang wen：Of course. We, as a think tank scholar, we think about our country very much. And even our government always admit that the GDP is a slowdown, it's a big pressure. But even that, you look at China's social stability and social development are still very normal, very stable, very sustainable. You look at China's EV car.You look at China AI development. I don't know whether you use DeepSeek. I think these are all very obvious development phenomenon. And look at China's high tech development, right? We have a lot, a lot of AI innovation. And look at the China's high-speed railway and high-speed way. And look at China's air space. And also, look at the expectations of 2030.China person will land on the moon. I think every phenomena can prove that. Don't trust those western media's fake news, and also don't only focus on those numbers simply look at the whole phenomenon of China development. I think you can see the real China development.

Hindustan Times：We all saw that SCO joint statement was not signed by India, because China refused to incorporate name of Pakistanand mention of Pahalgam terrorist attack in the joint statement. After which India refused to sign that statement and no joint statement was issued. 

Wang wen：These are all very complicated issue. But I have to say that Pakistan and China relationship is like a brother relationship. India knows it very much. So even that China side hopes to have a good relationship with India. That's why I accept the interview with youI just let Indian friends to calm downand to analyze the complicated issues among China, India and Pakistan. I think one common target for us is very obvious: that is to promote our own national rejuvenation. So that's our common interest. If India can become a much stronger power, I think the Chinese will very like to see it, because India and China are all very ancient eastern civilizations. We respect India. And also in the ancient times, we learn a lot from India. So in the future, if India and China can rise up simultaneously, I think this is our common happiness things. And in the 100 years ago, even 80 years ago, India is a colony. And 100 years ago China was invaded by the western country. So now we become the sovereignty power. Now we rise up simultaneously. I think these are all very good things. Don't let those western countries laugh us.

Hindustan Times：So there is some time and there are a lot of effort and lot of gestures from Chinese side,which would be required for this to perhaps go away. Wouldn't you agree?

Wang wen：As I said about the border conflict,that is a very professional issue. Both of us has no enough knowledge and information to judge about it.You just want to know a Chinese scholars' opinion about the BRICS, about China's policy. But you now often focus on the border conflict, I think this is a wrong direction, that will influence your job. I think this is the same logic for our two-countries relationship has some much wider cooperation fields to do. So don't let the border conflict influence our much wider cooperation. I think this is, as I said, the border conflict is very professional issue. Let professional to judge that. Let us just do our own cooperation issue, just focus on our cooperation. Now I accept your interview, that's our cooperation. If you always do that, debate those border conflicts, so that will broke our cooperation.

Hindustan Times：What do you think of the Chinese position and what the Dalai Lama said?

Wang wen：China's policy is very obvious, that Tibet is our own issues. Don't intervene China's sovereignty.  Tibet is naturally one part of China.  So Dalai Lama is a bad person. Dalai Lama wants to separate China.  I think this is obvious.

Hindustan Times：Bad person?

Wang wen：Yes. A man who is nonviolent. He is a bad person. He is a bad person. He's a separatist. In China, in China government, in China law. He broken the China's lawand also he's broken China's unification. I think these are all very obvious. So in India, use the Dalai Lama, play the Dalai Lama card. I think this is very dangerous. Remember it . And as I said in some, China respects India. And let's do much wider issues. Don't let the border conflict or the Dalai Lama issue influence our two smart and great countries.

Hindustan Times：India and China have a massive deficit, and the deficit is in favor of China,which means the trade imbalance between India and Chinais in favor of China.

Wang wen：One point I agree with you very obviously that is a deficit. Why you have the deficit?Because China's manufacturing is much stronger than India. So your mission is that developing India very quickly to make it much stronger than before. So I have been in India three times. I know India have very few high-speed railway, very few high-speed way, very few subway. India's infrastructure are very bad, but even that I still have a very full confidence on India’s future. So let's do it. India needs China's help, and of course China needs India's cooperation. So nowadays it's very obvious that let's show our friendliness to each other. Don't let those small issues influence our cooperation and friendship. This is very important. Let's do those bigger issues and stand together, smile at each other, and show our friendship. Then we will resolve those sensitive issues gradually. I still think and trust that China and India we should have a much better friendship and relationship. So if that, both of us will have more interest and a much better future. That's my opinion. That's why I accept your interview, just want to show my friendship to my Indian friends.

Hindustan Times：Thank you. Thank you for accepting the request professor.

Wang wen：Thank you for having me.